tessag Posted April 6, 2019 hahahaha - i freaking knew you were going to say that lol. ok so top is black river imaging, right is bay photo. How in the hell do you choose??? Do you find a certain lab that people consistently are happy with? I do a good bit of fine art/cotton rag prints, too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 6, 2019 Well, I guess finding labs that print the media you want is an important starting point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 6, 2019 Going with Black river (for now anyway). their prints were sharper and looked better to me and they offer what I need. I went and bought 8 of those 5000K flourescent bulbs, cussed for an hour getting them in until I watched a youtube video showing the "trick" to get them in. Still not sure the light temperature it is right?? But see below and tell me what you think Now I'm sitting in my studio, lights off of course, close to my door with a full panel window, and it's a beautiful, slightly overcast day. So I would consider where I am sitting "daylight". I'm just going to list out what I'm seeing with different calibration settings In my studio/true daylight Native/100 - Screen is too cool compared to prints. Brightness looks good comparatively D65/90 - Screen is still too cool, but better than above. D55/100 - screen is a smidge more magenta/cooler than the prints D50/90 - best of the 4, screen a smidge too magenta and probably needs to be 100 vs 90 (also did Daylight 5000/100 - almost identical to this) In my office, no windows, 8, 40 watt fluorescent bulbs, 5000K Native/100 - too cool. D65/90 - too cool D55/100 - same D50/90 - same So - after doing this in both rooms - it seems that the lighting in my office is very close to daylight (as long as where I was sitting was considered daylight??) My studio has all white walls, shouldn't have been any cast coming off the light. HELP. please. I NEED to get this mf-er calibrated so I can carry on lol. Is there some magic setting that I'm missing? I've made sure that automatic brightness is unchecked in system preferences, that the contrast is normal in accessibility (both per xrite's troubleshooting for mac). I've gone to every reasonable effort to make sure that my light is good. Am I being too picky? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 6, 2019 Is this still your laptop we're talking about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Damien Symonds said: Is this still your laptop we're talking about? Yes. And I’m working on my external too but had to step out.. 2 runs with it so far and both too magenta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 6, 2019 3 hours ago, tessag said: Now I'm sitting in my studio, lights off of course, close to my door with a full panel window, and it's a beautiful, slightly overcast day. So I would consider where I am sitting "daylight". So if you turn the overhead light off and on while looking at the prints, you're saying their appearance doesn't change? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Damien Symonds said: So if you turn the overhead light off and on while looking at the prints, you're saying their appearance doesn't change? Didn’t do that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Damien Symonds said: Can you? ? not today, no. And there’s really not much light in that room and it’s well away from the door/windows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 7, 2019 6 hours ago, tessag said: Now I'm sitting in my studio, lights off of course, close to my door with a full panel window 2 hours ago, tessag said: And there’s really not much light in that room and it’s well away from the door/windows I'm confused. These two statements seem to contradict each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 7, 2019 There is not much artificial light in that room- there’s one ceiling light far away from the windows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 7, 2019 I've reached the limit of the help I can give you about this. This is up to you. Your room light has to be nice and bright. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Damien Symonds said: I've reached the limit of the help I can give you about this. This is up to you. Your room light has to be nice and bright. Period. Cool. Thanks for it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 7, 2019 Can i please have access to part 2 of the raw class? This is something I genuinely am seeking help with, I’m not sure why I signed up for mentoring if you aren’t willing to help further? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 7, 2019 Yes, as soon as you've shown me some more white balance posts, and at least 80% of them are right the first time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, tessag said: I’m not sure why I signed up for mentoring if you aren’t willing to help further? I absolutely want to help you further! But you haven't posted any more photos since you upgraded, so there's been nothing for me to help with yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Damien Symonds said: I've reached the limit of the help I can give you about this. This is up to you. Your room light has to be nice and bright. Period. I'm not holding anything back from you, I promise. I just literally can't do any more from this side of the world. I would have to visit your house, and that's a flight I can't afford. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 7, 2019 BUT ... if you tell me that you're confident that your lighting is as good (close to daylight) as it can be, that's great! I'm happy to move the conversation onto the actual calibration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Damien Symonds said: BUT ... if you tell me that you're confident that your lighting is as good (close to daylight) as it can be, that's great! I'm happy to move the conversation onto the actual calibration. It is as close as it is going to get Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 7, 2019 Ok. So let's ignore the laptop for a moment. Can you tell me about the external screen? How many presets does it have, and how did they measure? (If you could take a quick photo of the piece of paper where you jotted down the values that would help.) I have to go out for about an hour, I'll check in again as soon as I get back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 7, 2019 Do you have a piece of paper like mine? https://www.damiensymonds.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/15i1dppc09.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Damien Symonds said: Do you have a piece of paper like mine? https://www.damiensymonds.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/15i1dppc09.jpg Yes - sorry. I just got back to my desk from a dinner. this is what I've got Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damien Symonds Posted April 7, 2019 It's always interesting to see how wildly wrong the screen manufacturers are about their presets! Especially at the high end, wow. Which of these did you try using? I assume you would have tried the 5500 setting first? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tessag Posted April 7, 2019 I should also mention that the uniformity portion to get these numbers was a little different for me than what was shown on the tutorial, it would flash white, med grey, dark grey and then give me 3 numbers (where yours only had 1). I used the top number with the highest luminance. The 3 numbers were not wildly different though, within a couple hundred of each other at most. Yes - I started with 5500, then tried 5000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
