kellyjonesphoto Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I have a question about the size of my final files that get imported to my client's galleries, and then downloaded by them and sent off into the world. My concern is that they are too small to print to any size. My workflow is to import original raw into LR, flag my favs and then export just those original files to a batch folder. I open these for editing in PS, make my edits, and then save each PS file as a JPEG. I reimport just the JPEG edits into a new Quick Collection in LR as final edits and then export those to a client folder so that I can rename them all with their last name - number.jpg. I am finding some of these files are only 3MBs and my concern is that they won't be able to print these wall portrait size. I am not sure if I am working with full RAW size files where the size compression is happening in PS. What am I doing to make the files so much smaller? I do not resize at all. I used to save the files as TIFFs vs JPEG in PS after editing and would reimport those TIFFs to LR once edited, and they were very large files. After exporting the TIFF a final time as JPEG out of LR to the client upload folder they would be in the 18MB range. What would be the correct way to do this? I work in LR4/PS6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Oh my goodness. 7 hours ago, kellyjonesphoto said: My workflow is to import original raw into LR, flag my favs and then export just those original files to a batch folder. I open these for editing in PS, make my edits, and then save each PS file as a JPEG. I reimport just the JPEG edits into a new Quick Collection in LR as final edits and then export those to a client folder so that I can rename them all with their last name - number.jpg. My eyes are watering reading this. Can't you see, from your own description, how awfully complicated this is? https://www.damiensymonds.net/examining-the-complexities-of-an-acr-workflow.html Please please PLEASE take the Bridge Class. It's only ten dollars, and it will change your life in SO many ways. 7 hours ago, kellyjonesphoto said: I am finding some of these files are only 3MBs The file size is important, but not as important as the pixel dimensions. Can you tell me the pixel dimensions of one of these 3MB files? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyjonesphoto Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 I agree, its too many steps. I only just ran into this when I started saving as JPEG out of PS, as TIFF it was never an issue. 5668 × 3779 is one of the file dimensions. I'm happy to take the class, but I love my presets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, kellyjonesphoto said: 5668 × 3779 is one of the file dimensions. That's about 21.5 megapixels. How many megapixels does your camera capture? 3 minutes ago, kellyjonesphoto said: I'm happy to take the class, but I love my presets. Presets are just presets. They work in ACR too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyjonesphoto Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 28ish, its a MarkIII. I love my Mastin so if they work there, I'm game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Ok, so where did the pixel reduction happen? Through cropping at some stage, I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyjonesphoto Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 I don't know, I generally do not crop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Ok, time to put on your Sherlock Holmes hat and investigate this. You need to find out what are the pixel dimensions of your raw files; and where in your workflow the size is being reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 What did you discover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyjonesphoto Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 So I have two thoughts, one is that maybe the settings on the image size are off when I save in PS. I never alter them, just go to file, save as JPEG, done. The other thought is that maybe the issue is my final LR export setting should be set to Quality 100 vs 90. I've had it at 90 forever, because long ago when setting things up I read that's what it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 No, PLEASE forget about the file size (in megabytes) at the moment. It is not important right now. You need to find out where and why the pixel dimensions of your file has been reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyjonesphoto Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 OK on a 4MB JPEG edited file I show the raw file was 5760x3840 (27.3MB). The pixels are the same in this case on the JPEG, so do I not worry about the MB at all and assume it will print fine for her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, kellyjonesphoto said: OK on a 4MB JPEG edited file I show the raw file was 5760x3840 (27.3MB). The pixels are the same in this case on the JPEG That is 22 megapixels. That's still 6 megapixels shy of what you told me your camera captures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyjonesphoto Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 I was guessing...I looked it up, it captures 22.3...you can see how savvy I am about file size. So I have a full resolution 4 MB file then and that is OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Ok, this is good news. Now, read this article, and let me know when you have done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyjonesphoto Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 OK thank you for your patience, I was really worried I had seriously screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 You have screwed up to a degree, but it's not too serious. Lots and lots of people make the same screwup. We'll discuss it once you've read the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Have you read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyjonesphoto Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 I did, thank you. I was under the impression smaller MB = smaller print quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 It can mean that, but it definitely doesn't automatically mean that. In fact, sometimes smaller jpeg file size actually means BETTER print quality, because it indicates a less noisy file. So, I hope the article has helped you understand why your jpeg files are much smaller than the raw files. That's very natural. One aspect that the article doesn't discuss, however, is the loss of quality each time you save another jpeg. And this is where you fucked up. It's because of Lightroom, of course, and I sincerely hope that you will abandon that shit very soon. Next, please read this article and let me know when you have done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Have you read that one, @kellyjonesphoto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kellyjonesphoto Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 I did read that one. I used to keep TIFF files, but then I started saving in JPEG, I guess I need to go back to TIFF. They are just so big, I was trying to cut down on the amount of space taken up on my externals with all the sessions I go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Oh, you've raised a few more good topics here. 1 hour ago, kellyjonesphoto said: I used to keep TIFF files, but then I started saving in JPEG, I guess I need to go back to TIFF. They are just so big Yes, TIFF files sure can be big, but it's very possible that yours were bigger than they needed to be. Do you happen to still have one of those TIFF files, easily accessible? If so, could you send it to me? I'd be interested to take a look. 1 hour ago, kellyjonesphoto said: I was trying to cut down on the amount of space taken up on my externals with all the sessions I go through. Well, there's a good argument for NOT keeping tiff files for archiving. Once you've finished the job, and are about to put it onto an external (or cloud, or whatever), it's quite logical to convert the tiffs to jpegs for that purpose. I talk about this in some detail in the Bridge Class. Tiff files, or PSD files, are so important while a job is live. But if space is an issue, you certainly can consider converting to jpeg for archiving. Having said that, thankfully disk space is becoming much cheaper with each passing year, so it's not as big a deal as it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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