Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I'm using an old NEC Monitor, the P241W. I think I bought it about 8 years ago. ?) I'm going through the RAW class and did (or tried to do) a calibration today using my i1 Display Pro. I tried method 1, and the white point came out nowhere near the target. (Calibration Screen 1&2 images attached.) Did it 3 times with same result. When trying method 2, I saw my blue is VERY low compared to red & green (which are very close in values and near target). Since you said this could indicate a problem with the monitor, I thought I'd post some screenshots and seek your advice. I'm confused because I had prints as recently as February that I loved. Thanks for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 So you tried all the presets, and the closest one was 4992? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 I must be doing something wrong but I have no idea what. The "presets" I have are sRGB, High Bright (Native) and Full. The closest uniformity number was 6358 for preset sRGB so I set the monitor to that. Then I ran the calibration and the white point came back as 4992. I just did it again and it came back slightly lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Oh, interesting. Can you quickly do this check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Check was fine. Going through the steps again and realized I used CCFL instead of wide gamut CCFL. Off to calibrate again... be right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 It's not a wide gamut screen as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Cheryl D said: When trying method 2, I saw my blue is VERY low compared to red & green (which are very close in values and near target). Did you press on and finish the calibration? And if so, how was the print comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 UGH. White point 4741 using wide gamut CCFL. Even worse. I did not press on previously with method 2, because I couldn't figure out how to adjust the individual R-G-B values on this dang monitor. The screenshot shows my options to adjust the sRGB preset... I have hue, offset (whatever that is) and saturation. Already tried hue and that did not work. When I go to advanced settings, I just get options to change the x and y values. Also here is a clip from the monitor manual, which shows my blue is the norm x & y values for sRGB(?). I'm so over my head here! I will try method 2 again and see if I can get all the way to an end result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Cheryl D said: UGH. White point 4741 using wide gamut CCFL. Even worse. Yeah, it's not a wide gamut screen. I've just been playing with my NEC, but the controls aren't quite the same. 6 minutes ago, Cheryl D said: If you go up one step to get to "WHITE", can you then use the left and right arrows to adjust the white temp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Yes, I can adjust the white temp! Should I make that match what the calibration is showing? Here is screenshot showing white point reading of 4928 and target of 6502... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 You should try raising that WHITES value to see if you can get a reading closer to 6500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Ah... before I saw your last post... i tried method 2 again. Very interesting! I ignored the RGB adjustments, but for the brightness adjustment, I had to bump the monitor setting for brightness to 125 to get the "measured white luminance" to 80. End result: achieved white point of 6522! Progress! Do my prints match? No, sadly, not even close. They look smashing on my screen. ? If I turn my monitor brightness down to 50, the prints are still darker than the monitor. And the color in the prints is decidely leaning more toward cyan or green. Not sure what to do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Gee, are you sure your room light is ok? https://www.damiensymonds.net/2012/01/light-around-your-computer.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Small-ish bedroom with 2 lamps and one window (with blinds). No direct sunlight. Only edit in the daytime. I'm really at a loss here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 So the room is nice and bright? Because this ... 13 minutes ago, Cheryl D said: If I turn my monitor brightness down to 50, the prints are still darker than the monitor. .... suggests that your room is not bright enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 I would not describe the room as "nice and bright." I would describe the lighting as subdued. Typically the lamps aren't on during the day. Trying to understand. Are you saying if the room is brighter the prints will look less dark and then be closer to matching the screen? I have to take them to the window and view them there for them to be even reasonably okay. Sorry to take up so much of your time! I need to get this right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cheryl D said: I would not describe the room as "nice and bright." I would describe the lighting as subdued. That's bad. 2 minutes ago, Cheryl D said: Trying to understand. Are you saying if the room is brighter the prints will look less dark and then be closer to matching the screen? That's exactly what I'm saying. Does that not make sense to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Logically, yes. But I've been told for 10+ years not to edit in bright light... so my brain just exploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I know, it's one of the most persistent myths floating around. Editing in low light is completely nonsensical. As soon as you stop and think about it you realise this is so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) However, I can't afford another round of $100 prints I can't deliver... so I'm open to ideas. ? Edited July 2, 2020 by Cheryl D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Unless you have reason to believe the lab messed up your order somehow, the prints you have are fine. You need to make your screen match them, period. And that begins by being in good light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 No, they are a very good lab. They do a lot of competition prints. I have every reason to believe the problem is on my end... and of course, I'm suspicious about an 8-year-old monitor's accuracy. But I don't want to run out and buy another monitor (Covid has wrecked my budget) if that is not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Do you have any other screens in your house that you could plug in to your computer and calibrate? Fix the room light first though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl D Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 No, unfortunately, I don't have another screen. I turned the lamps on and raised the blinds. Better. I've been doing this 10 years and actually felt competent until today. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 So the brightness is better ... but is the screen still too warm? I'm doing everything I can here, but in my bones I really do fear that you are going to need a new screen soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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