lsin Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Hello, i am trying to extend the background of this picture, and have tried cloning but i have 4 issues, 1) the end of the basket is slightly chopped off, 2) i seem to loose all texture in the rug and 3) the shadows in the rug are killing me - one side ends up really bright and the other really dark! Is it better to replace the background completely or how can i go about fixing this? I have also attached a photo of the basket without the baby but it is not chopped off (even though it was taken at same time, lighting is slightly off) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Ok, let's take it step by step. First, can you take a photo of the rug, without the basket on top of it, completely filling the frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Hi, sorry for delay, time difference plus had to work! here is the rug. I have attached the SOOC (1st pic) and the one with the WB adjusted to match the picture (2nd pic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Gee, that looks way too close up, surely? I only wanted you to just fill the frame with the rug. If you put that behind the basket, it will look incongruous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 are any of these any good? the rug is quite small and has jagged edges so quite hard to fill the frame without going too close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Wonderful! So, you'd do your raw processing on these two photos so they match: On 9/2/2016 at 3:46 AM, lsin said: Then you'd combine them, so that you got the bottom of the basket. Then you'd also process this raw file so it matched: 5 hours ago, lsin said: And use it to fill in the missing corners of the rug in the main photo. If you need help with all that combining stuff, go ahead and do your raw processing first, then post the photos again for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Here are the pictures with the raw adjustments (taken from raw class). I have no idea how to combine pictures but really want to learn! thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Something like this? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 wow that looks amazing! can you tell me how to do this please? can you also share the PSD file? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 First, I extended the Canvas Size of the main photo a bit. Then I File>Placed the basket photo on the main photo. By lowering its opacity, I was able to use Ctrl T to transform (scale and rotate) it so it lined up as perfectly as possible. Then increased the opacity to 100% again: Then I added a mask and masked it in to that immediate missing area down there. It was a little too light, so I also clipped a Hue/Saturation layer to it, and fiddled with the sliders until it was roughly a suitable colour. I also had to mask that Hue/Sat layer a bit, because it needed more darkening on the left than the right: Then I File>Placed the rug photo. It was a bit too in-focus, so I blurred it a bit. Then I kinda positioned it in one corner, rotating it a bit to make the fabric flow as plausibly as possible: Then masked it in, and again, clipped a Hue/Sat layer to make it match suitably: Then repeated the same process a couple more times, to fill in all the space: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 ok, sounds doable enough, i will give it a go! Never used File > Place before! to blur the rug, did you use lens blur or gausian blur? Can i see the PSD file please? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 quick question, when you extend the canvas size. do you use a fixed ratio size that is suitable to printing later (like 5x7, 10x8 etc) or do you just extend the bottom half and resize later for final output? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, lsin said: Never used File > Place before! Depending on your version of Photoshop, you might see the option for "Place Embedded" or "Place Linked". Use embedded. You'll find examples of File>Place here, here, here, here and here. 15 minutes ago, lsin said: to blur the rug, did you use lens blur or gausian blur? It's Gaussian. You should be able to see it in my screenshots. 16 minutes ago, lsin said: Can i see the PSD file please? thanks! No, it's really huge, sorry. Too big to upload. Just follow the steps I showed you, you'll do fine. 3 minutes ago, lsin said: quick question, when you extend the canvas size. do you use a fixed ratio size that is suitable to printing later (like 5x7, 10x8 etc) or do you just extend the bottom half and resize later for final output? No, just give it a good chunk. More than you think you'll need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 OK, Silly question, how to i turn "free transform" off? i cannot deselect. i cannot add a mask as i am unable to get rid of the handles Just now, lsin said: OK, Silly question, how to i turn "free transform" off? i cannot deselect. i cannot add a mask as i am unable to get rid of the handles ok, never mind, just got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Damien Symonds said: It's Gaussian. You should be able to see it in my screenshots. Can i ask what settings you used for the guassian blur? Also, i see in the screenshots, that the gaussian blur is inserted via smart filter - how do i do this? i cant see any option for smart filter (photoshop cc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, lsin said: Can i ask what settings you used for the guassian blur? My settings are completely irrelevant, because I was working on a different size file to you. Just play and see what looks most suitable. 14 minutes ago, lsin said: Also, i see in the screenshots, that the gaussian blur is inserted via smart filter - how do i do this? i cant see any option for smart filter (photoshop cc) You don't need to do anything special. Just apply Gaussian Blur to the smart object, and it will automatically do it as a smart filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 ok,, first attempt - its awful isn't it?? i lost all shadows - how can i improve it?? i also tried to insert the full rug to replace the background instead of inserting 4 corners separately (see 2nd picture) - is that a big no no?? does it look like the basket is just floating above the rug.. its alot more difficult than i thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 42 minutes ago, lsin said: does it look like the basket is just floating above the rug That's right. That's why I didn't replace it entirely. Better to leave the natural shadows there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 how can i improve the edit on the first attempt picture i posted? i dont think it looks right, difficult to keep the natural shadows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Well, you'll have to burn some shadows in there, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 Hi Damien, i am really really struggling with this edit. When i try to place the 4 corners of the rug, i find it impossible to get blur / hue/saturation right and it looks silly with very obvious lines where the different colours are. When i try to replace the rug in its entirety, i cannot get shadows back to look realistic. Here is my attempt at replacing the entire rug and masking out the shadows in the original pic. as you can see there is huge colour difference in the bottom left hand corner. I have tried using dodge and burn to darken the area but nothing happens (is it because it is blank space underneath where i extended the canvas??) and when i use clone tool to clone the shadows down to the end of the picture, the clone tool does not do what i want it to do and selects areas that i do not want to clone... Please can you help (Again!!)?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 May I see a screenshot showing your layers panel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 here it is. as i meantioned in my post above. i tried to replace the full rug rather than the four corners and then mask off the areas for the natural shadows. I have done no other levels work yet as dont see the point until i fix background! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I can see that your masking is MUCH too distinct. You need to mask with a much bigger brush, so the blend is more natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsin Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 how is this? still not able to match colours exactly.can still see a ring around the basket where new and ol drug meet. i used a really large brush (pretty much size of basket) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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