Damien Symonds Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 @Naomibb I received your files. You said: Quote Im having trouble with banding. I can't really see it on the computer, but can always still see it in print. Which print lab do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I use dscolour labs (uk) but I’ve also used loxley colour in the uk in the past and same problem. I haven’t noticed the banding in a long time, got into a habit of checking with a curves layer every time but havtn had to do it in ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 What size did you print this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 A4, and the others a4, 8x10 and 9x6 I think it was I’ve tried doing the gradient thing you mention on your website and then adding a bit of grain but it makes the background look horrible as I can’t do it very well, then (with a curves layer) I can see the banding appearing where I’m trying to softly brush on the gradient around the balloons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 3 minutes ago, Naomibb said: A4 Okay, can you send me the exact A4 file you sent to the lab? https://spaces.hightail.com/uplink/BellePhotography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 The jpegs I sent you were the exact files I sent to get printed. So I didn’t size them for print (as we sell the digitals) so these are what the client receives. So that was the 1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 Well shit, no wonder it didn't print right. PLEASE don't wait any longer to learn how to print. https://www.damiensymonds.net/trainingsharp.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I've fixed the banding before for the prints I do this way. Do you really think this would actually stop it appearing in print, im worried its banding that is embedded in the photo and im still going to have the same problem? how long is the course as I know the others were long and these have to be done this weekend. This is why I was reaching out for a quote to fix this for me this time. Im really stressed out so please don't get funny with me, I know I suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 There are two things wrong with the file (I only opened the first one of the batch you sent me). You've added way too much noise to the background. You didn't resize and sharpen accurately for print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Okay, would resizing it accurately stop the banding from showing? That's the only reason I've added noise because the banding shows up even worse without it. Again could this be solved by resizing/exporting correctly? because I can see the banding on the print, in the exact places I can see it in the raw image if I apply that curves layer temporarily. The noise doesn't show up at all on the prints I've done. Please can you tell me if I start the course whether it would give me the knowledge for exporting/resizing straight away so I can at least send off for more prints this weekend to see if the banding goes away even if I apply no sharpening? I know I will need to do more prints to test the sharpening bit, but im just desperate to know if there is a resolution for this banding, and I know the other classes there was a break that I couldn't access the next bit until I'd 'passed'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 You don't need a class to tell you how to resize a file, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 Just crop to the exact size and resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 Have you shot against this backdrop before? And printed successfully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 In all honesty I don’t know how to do it, because I don’t do it. Yes we have but we’ve never shot at such a low depth of field (making the backdrop more ‘smooth’- I guess ) and the banding is also in the shadowing so to speak where the balloons are and at the edges of the upper of the balloons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 We’ve shot against the white backdrop before, sometimes we’ve had this issue and I’ve applied a bit of noise to the backdrop and it’s sorted it but those have been times when we’ve shot at 5.6 making everything a bit more detailed in the backdrop. This time that small bit of noise isn’t fixing it and this was why I was reaching out because I hate the noise I’ve already had to add, and didn’t want to just try adding more noise, but I am really worried resizing it is not going to fix the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 19 minutes ago, Naomibb said: In all honesty I don’t know how to do it, because I don’t do it. Just choose your crop tool and enter the size and resolution. (Check with your lab to see what resolution they require. Most say 300ppi, but some differ.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 So I just wanted to check I’m doing it right, so I’m just cropping the original psd and save as a jpeg/seperate file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 Make sure you turn off the noise layer. Then flatten the file. Then crop. And yes, save it as a new file. https://damiensymonds.net/2010/02/trash-those-jpegs.html THEN add your noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Okay thank you. I just wanted to check the jpeg options I’m choosing, maximum quality of 12, and format options It automatically selects ‘baseline (standard)’ is this the best one to save it as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 And how much noise would you add? Should I try different amounts? I know you said I added way too much. I think I went to filter-noise and added 3-4 Gaussian monochromatic noise and masked onto the backdrop areas, is this wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 22 minutes ago, Naomibb said: Okay thank you. I just wanted to check the jpeg options I’m choosing, maximum quality of 12, and format options It automatically selects ‘baseline (standard)’ is this the best one to save it as? Standard, yes. Quality 9 is ample for print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Okay thank you, and with the noise how much would you recommend after flattening then resizing? Or do I do different amounts and trial different amounts? Hoping to get it sent off this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 About half the amount you used before, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomibb Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Okay thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 Apply it across the whole photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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