wota Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Hi Damien, I am not even sure where to start on this image for making the whole image one grey background. As you can see there is a light, wood floor, the sides around the group. I have never shot a group this large before, and I honestly am not sure where to begin with editing it, so it is a seamless grey background with just the group. Thanks so much for any tips/help. This is sooc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Oh boy. This is going to be a challenge. Go ahead and do your raw processing first, then post it again for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Thanks Damien, Would you like me to load the PSD file or a jpeg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna-Lena Ström McGrath Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 no, just a jpeg. Raw edits done, no PS work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 No, this can't be right, surely? Everyone is so blue and dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Well, I don't do a lot in RAW. My biggest focus right now is to figure out what to do with the background mess. Is there something else you need me to do beforehand? Or I can redo this in RAW. Whatever will help work best. If I up the exposure in RAW to lighten everyone, then the people on the left, especially the boy get way to bright. I don't know what to do with that. I am confused about this whole image. Like I said,, shooting a large group isn't my thing, nor something I have done. so I know it's a mess. I don't see the blue that you see though, so not sure what you mean by everyone looking blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Please PLEASE tell me you're on the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 This is not a coincidence: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 To be honest, your first one was better. We could see their legs in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) I didn't know about that list, but I am on it now. Thank you. I like the first one better too. Ok, so do you want to just work with the first image I submitted then? That one I did bump the the exposure on, and it got really noisy, and then I went over the kid on the left with a brush, I forget what it is called, the targeted one I think it is called. I was able to fine tune that one to bring the exposure back down on him. On that first image I submitted. Maybe that is why it looks better? Also i didn't do anything to the color with that one. Edited February 29, 2016 by wota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Oh, no, this just gets worse Fix the noise thusly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Oh no, I feel really bad, and I know I need to understand more about properly editing in RAW. Your response both made me laugh, feel like a such novice ( which I am in RAW editing), and are helpful too. I will read over the links, and come back to this. Thanks again for your direction, and I am looking forward to an opening in your RAW class! I need it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 A calibrator has to be your priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 I have looked into those products, but not quite in the budget right now. It is something I am looking into making a purchase this year, but not at the moment. OK, so I am not sure what else you want me to do, before we can work on the background issues. I read the articles about noise and sharpening. They were very helpful to learn from. I used the techniques, and the results are much better than the top/first image shared. I did not do anything to the color this time, so there should not be any issues with blues anymore. I also upped the exposure on the image, so they weren't all so dark. Does this work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 There's one more very serious problem we have to address. This one is free. http://www.damiensymonds.net/art_tscs000.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 Great! That is helpful too. I always have to click convert my working space to srgb( the pop up in PS whenever I open from ACR to PS), and now I have changed that in ACR. So now this photo is in sRGB. I was told long ago, as you said in your article, that Adobe RGB is best, but I have found that to not be true, especially when printing, so I have always had to convert when I was finished editing. Now I understand this better, and the football analogy makes perfect sense. I seriously can't wait for an opening to your RAW class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Next question. The mat the dog is sitting on - is that to stay or go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 Preferably go. The dog had problems being able to sit on the paper without sliding, she needed the mat under her, and I would love to know how to change that out as well. Thank you for asking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Ok, how's this? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 Oh my gosh! I love it! That is exactly what I wanted for this photo. You are awesome Damien! So how do I learn how you did this now? Thank you for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 At its heart it's this method. This is an insanely hard edit. It took me half an hour, working on this web-sized file. Allow yourself 2-3 frustrating hours, working on the full-sized file. Download the PSD file 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 Oh, I just watched that video about the banding today and using gradients. I will definitely need to watch that a few times. I will look at the psd file. Thank you again very much Damien! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wota Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 ok, so I am going in and trying to use the poly tool to select around the group. However when I do the gradient I have too much not being filled in. Did you use the poly tool or paint in the gradient with a brush? I watched the video, but I am struggling a lot with my selection with my poly tool. I can't get close enough to the people, or when I try just going on the outside of them and not being too particular, like in the video I have too much being not affected by the gradient. In your edit I see your selection got everything but the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Yes, it was the same when I began. Not much being affected by the gradient. That's fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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