KimMoore Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 Hi Brian, I have a DELL U2419H monitor, which is a few years old. I was wondering what is your recommendations for an updated monitor? I have always used DELL & I have Calibrite DISPLAY PRO HL calibrator. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 I usually start with recommending a Dell Ultrasharp IPS Display. Things to look for: IPS Display Panel. This is non-negotiable. If the company doesn't advertise it, chances are it's not a IPS Display. 95% or better sRGB coverage. You do not want a 1920 x 1080p resolution on ANY monitor that is 27" or greater. A 1080p Display is fine for 24" and below. Why? 1080p looks like ass on a large screen; we aren't watching TV, we are editing photos. You want at least a 2560 x 1440 for a 27" display or 4K. You do not want a display that reduces any colors, such as Blue Light. Or if it does have that feature, there should be a way to turn it off. You do not want your monitor messing with your colors, especially if you are editing photos. Matte Finish or Matte Coating, you want to avoid Glossy Screens. Avoid Curved Displays. While it sounds cool, you are editing photos, not playing video games. Do not buy a Touchscreen; we have enough issues as it is with displays, do not add fingerprints to the mix. Plus Touchscreens are a bitch to calibrate. Your calibrator should be fine, just make sure your software is up to date. I found this monitor, Dell S2721QS and this one, which really checks all of the boxes: Dell UltraSharp U2723QE. There seems to be limited supply for that U2723QE, and it's on sale, so if you have the fundage, I'd click buy sooner, rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimMoore Posted November 15 Author Share Posted November 15 Thanks Brian. Off hand do you know if my current screen is IPS? 95% or better sRGB coverage - the lab I use here in New Zealand works in Adobe 1998 colourspace. I prefer the price of the second screen & your happy this checks the boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimMoore Posted November 15 Author Share Posted November 15 The U2723QE is an upgrade from my current screen? DELL U2419H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 Well, if the lab uses Adobe 1998, that's fine. BUT! The default colorspace for JPEG is sRGB. So if you are uploading .jpeg files to your printer, your colors are shifting. If you upload .jpg to a website or FB or whatever, you are in sRGB. This is why Damien and I jump up-and-down about sRGB, because...chances are, you are going to end up there. What are you looking for your screen replacement, and why? Is your screen not big enough? Is it failing, or are you upgrading just for something new? The good news is, your Dell U2419H is an IPS Display, so if it's working, keep rocking it. Unless you want bigger / fancier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 19 hours ago, KimMoore said: The U2723QE is an upgrade from my current screen? Well, it's a different display. Direct upgrade? No. Modern 4K 27" Display that has a IPS Panel? Yes. So I guess you can call it an upgrade in a sense of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimMoore Posted November 16 Author Share Posted November 16 I'm having a few issues getting my prints to match my screen. My screen is cooler than my prints. If I'm using Adobe 1998 for the lab, I should convert to sRGB before uploading? I tried this yesterday & the two files are very different. I find all this colour space stuff very confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 18 Share Posted November 18 On 11/16/2024 at 3:10 PM, KimMoore said: I should convert to sRGB before uploading? You need to convert in Adobe Camera Raw. Raw File Created by Camera >> Loaded into ACR >> Converted to the sRGB Color Space >> THEN you do your Raw Edits >> Finally, your Photo is imported into Photoshop already in sRGB and you do your final edits. This way what you see is what you (should) get. WYSIWYG. No surprises. No colors changing on you. What needs to change in your workflow is when converting to sRGB takes place. You do not want to edit in Adobe RGB (1998) with ACR, keep Adobe RGB (1998) in Photoshop, then have your colors shift because the default color space with .jpg files is sRGB!!! That's why we want you to be in sRGB at the start of your edits, because as soon as you save as a .jpg / .jpeg, your colors WILL shift if editing in Adobe RGB (1998) or Prophoto (Lightroom's default and ONLY color space.) Before you drive yourself nuts, let's make sure your Photoshop and ACR are setup correctly: Setting up Photoshop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 18 Share Posted November 18 Right now, from the information that you provided, buying a new display is not going to fix your problem. We need to get you Calibrated and straightened out BEFORE you spend money on a new display. Now, will you eventually be purchasing a new Display? It's plausible, but I want to see if we can get things working out first; I hate wasting money and would feel terrible that you fork out $500 (or whatever) only to be right back at square #1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimMoore Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 Thanks Brian this is great information. I had a chat with Queensberry today to talk about the problems I'm having. They said they use this calibrator, it monitors the room ambient light etc. https://www.datacolor.com/spyder/products/spyder-x-elite/ Before I go out & buy this, what are your thoughts on this one? As I'm having a problem with my prints being warmer than my screen I would consider the swap, but would love a penny for your thoughts on this calibrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 If I were to buy a new Calibrator today, I'd opt for the most up-to-date model. The Spyder X Elite has been replaced by the Spyder X2 Elite. I'm sure the cost savings going with the X Elite caught your eye and it's still a fine calibrator. The Elite has ALL of the software features turned on, and should be able to calibrate your screen nicely. Why bother with the X2 Elite then? It's for the monitor you have yet to purchase. While the Spyder X Elite will work fine for your current display, I'm worried about the one you will end up buying 2 years from now. As I've stated multiple times in various threads; I hate-hate-hate wasting money on this shit. Nothing would burn me up more than forking out a couple of hundred bucks for a Calibrator, only have to fork out another few hundred for a new one because my cheap-ass didn't fork out the money when I should have. In the end, I pay MORE than I'd expected to. Make sense? Damien wrote this article, I'd give it a read: Which Monitor Calibrator to Buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimMoore Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 Thank you this is great info & have had a read. I currently have the calibrite display pro HL, which I see is one of the two top tier he suggest. However, it doesn't have the ambient light feature the Spyder X2 Elite has. I'm wondering if I give this a shot being my prints are warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Have you tried calibrating with Damien's instructions? This should work for you: https://www.damiensymonds.net/calibration-instructions/calibrite-colorchecker-display-pro-desktop.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimMoore Posted December 1 Author Share Posted December 1 Can I ask what the difference between is between DP & HDMI for input source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 I think DisplayPort supports higher resolution, doesn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 2 Share Posted December 2 DisplayPort has a higher bandwidth and refresh rates, so you can have multiple displays with a high resolution on one single port. HDMI is basically one Monitor per port. DisplayPort is also Royalty Free, so manufactures don't have to pay a licensing fee for each device. HDMI had ARC / eRC Tech, which is why you see them on TVs and they can not only transmit video, but also audio. Display Port has a more robust connector, usually with a release latch. HDMI is more universal because it's been around a lot longer. Basically, it's two technologies that are similar but have their own strengths. For me, I'd use a DisplayPort over a HDMI with a computer. 4K Resolution and DisplayPort just seems to "work" better, but this is due to the higher bandwidth with that technology type. For my Home Theater Setup, it's HDMI all the way. The choice for @KimMoore is based on WHAT she is using. If her Computer Monitor(s) are hooked up with a HDMI cable, then select HDMI. Likewise, if she is using a DisplayPort...then it's DisplayPort for the selection. Many higher end cards, like the NVIDIA RTX 4070 or RTX 4080 have both ports on them and it really depends on what you are using with your monitor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimMoore Posted December 3 Author Share Posted December 3 Thank you Brian, great information. I have my prints back, re-calibrated my screen 6250k & they match much better. I do think my lights are a little yellow in my office, but until I can change them this works. I took my prints outside & there were still on the warm side. Santa has ok'd a new monitor for xmas & wanting to check this looks like a good option. https://www.amazon.com/Dell-S2721QS-Ultra-Thin-DisplayPort-Certified/dp/B08DQWG3JG/ref=pd_ci_mcx_pspc_dp_2_t_1?pd_rd_w=vj1KU&content-id=amzn1.sym.9cb932c3-e29e-44db-929c-bdc1460b3774&pf_rd_p=9cb932c3-e29e-44db-929c-bdc1460b3774&pf_rd_r=QW1X5CKEEN0T80WYS0BT&pd_rd_wg=oZxPt&pd_rd_r=7f1caa45-8511-49d1-a39b-478a2d487b3e&pd_rd_i=B08DQWG3JG&th=1 I really only want to do it once Thank you for all your help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 That display should work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy1 Posted Thursday at 03:53 AM Share Posted Thursday at 03:53 AM Hi Brian. I have set up the Dell UltraSharp 27/32 4K USB-C Hub Monitor. I actually am very intimidated by this monitor! I don't fully understand All the ports. Anyhow, I have a Datacolor spyder X Elite calibrator. I was reading what calibrators Damien recommends, and saw there is a Spyder X 2 Elite. To calibrate the Dell monitor, which calibrator do you recommend? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Symonds Posted Thursday at 07:24 AM Share Posted Thursday at 07:24 AM Have you tried your Spyder X Elite yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy1 Posted Thursday at 01:53 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:53 PM I started to use the X Elite, then realized that the adjustments for brightness, color, etc was not on buttons on the monitor, but I had to open an App in the computer to use them. So I could not figure out how to keep the App open and still have the calibration screen up. I am trying again today. Hopefully it was due to the late hour and being tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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