Damien Symonds Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Jump to next slide >> Next, opening and saving From ACR, I open the image into Photoshop. There, I save it as a PSD file. PSD is the almighty file format. It can support 16-bit data, extra layers, extra channels, vectors, different colour modes, etc, etc. (Please note that I do not recommend 16-bit in most cases. 8-bit is ample.) PSDs are uncompressed. This means there’s no risk of file damage, but it also means BIG files. Luckily, hard drives are big and cheap nowadays. Tiff files are (more or less) the same as PSD files. But I use PSD because it’s the default setting, therefore the easiest to use. Lazy? Yes. Sensible? Also yes. There is really no need to use Tiff files in most workflows. Editing >> 6 Link to comment
kathy baxley Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Just to clarify, you open the image up in PS, after adjusting it in ACR. Then you save as a PSD file before you make any changes to the image in PS ? Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Technically speaking, it's a good idea to save as a PSD straight away, yes. That's the safest path. But I don't, and I doubt many other people do either. Usually I do a few adjustments before I remember to save as a PSD. 2 Link to comment
kathy baxley Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Once the edited image is complete in PS and you save in PSD format. I usually "save as" and add the word "edited" to the file name and keep the original intact...........in case I want to go back and start over with a new edit. Is it OK to do that? Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 It's completely unnecessary. Just save it with exactly the same file name as the raw file. Link to comment
Anne Adlington Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 My mother and I just had a 'discussion' about this. She can't understand why I would save the photo as a PSD when I could simply save over the CR2 file. Why have two files when you can revert back to the original if necessary? It makes sense to me to be able to see the original file and if I want to have two different edits saved as PSD files I can do that (but I probably won't do that too often). Can you elaborate a bit more as to the purpose of the two files? Also, in Bridge, is there a way to see the CR2 file unedited? Even though I have not saved over the CR2 file, it still displays my edited version next to the PSD. I'd prefer to see it unedited and I know I can 'right click ---> develop settings ---> camera raw defaults' for each image, that's kind of annoying. Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Anne Adlington said: My mother and I just had a 'discussion' about this. She can't understand why I would save the photo as a PSD when I could simply save over the CR2 file. Why have two files when you can revert back to the original if necessary? It makes sense to me to be able to see the original file and if I want to have two different edits saved as PSD files I can do that (but I probably won't do that too often). Can you elaborate a bit more as to the purpose of the two files? This is a joke, right? Lol! 3 hours ago, Anne Adlington said: Also, in Bridge, is there a way to see the CR2 file unedited? Why? Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Anne Adlington said: if I want to have two different edits saved as PSD files Oh hell no. https://www.damiensymonds.net/2010/02/multiple-images-in-one-psd.html 3 Link to comment
Anne Adlington Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Damien Symonds said: This is a joke, right? Lol! Why? I'm just used to seeing the unedited CR2 file and the PSD file next to each other in FastStone. When I started using Bridge the other day I had a brief moment of wondering where my unedited CR2 file went. 10 minutes ago, Damien Symonds said: Oh hell no. https://www.damiensymonds.net/2010/02/multiple-images-in-one-psd.html Ooh thank you! 1 Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Anne Adlington said: I'm just used to seeing the unedited CR2 file and the PSD file next to each other in FastStone. When I started using Bridge the other day I had a brief moment of wondering where my unedited CR2 file went. No, that's not an answer. WHY would you want to see the unedited version? Link to comment
Anne Adlington Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Because seeing the original sometimes makes me want to re-edit a photo. Especially in the case of old photos that I've edited with actions (prior to discovering your facebook group). Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 You can't use actions on raw files. I think you're getting mixed up somehow. Link to comment
Anne Adlington Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Oh that's right, and in those cases Bridge will show my ACR edit next to my jpeg. Still, I like seeing my two copies: original next to my PSD. I guess if that's the case I could either continue to use FastStone or adapt to Bridge. Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 This is madness. Link to comment
Anne Adlington Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Damien Symonds said: This is madness. Lol sorry! This all spurred from a really frustrating discussion last night and had me going through the RAW class trying to find the answers I was looking for. I just tried to 'save' a CR2 file for the first time ever and I realize it's not even possible to do so I will just carry on and refrain from future Bridge/Lightroom discussions with my mother. Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 Just now, Anne Adlington said: I just tried to 'save' a CR2 file for the first time ever and I realize it's not even possible to do so Correct. Just now, Anne Adlington said: refrain from future Bridge/Lightroom discussions with my mother. Good idea. 1 Link to comment
Marielene Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Lately I heard a professional photographer say that TIFF files contain more information, PSD compressed and deletes certain information. You say there's no/hardly any difference. What about it? Thanks! 1 Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 Actually, you might have misheard that. TIFF is the format that can be compressed (although it isn't compressed by default). PSD has no compression option. Link to comment
Marielene Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Oh? This is what I found on a forum: PSD files are usually smaller than TIFF files because the PSD format has compression built into it to make the files smaller. This is lossless compression, and doesn't affect the contents of the file - you can open it, save it close it numerous times without affecting the quality of the image it contains. TIFF files are not as compressed (if you choose LZW compression) or aren't compressed at all if you don't compress them, and so are much larger, but contain the same information about the image they contain. If the files are only going to be used by you, save them as PSD files, but if you're going to exchange them with other family members, the TIFF format may be better as it can probably be opened by more different software than can the PSD files. Link to comment
Marielene Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 But, yes, the conclusion is that the difference isn't noticable, as you write in this course :-) Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 37 minutes ago, Marielene said: If the files are only going to be used by you, save them as PSD files, but if you're going to exchange them with other family members, the TIFF format may be better as it can probably be opened by more different software than can the PSD files. This is true, but it's pretty much irrelevant, because you can't trust that other software would be able to use the layers. 1 Link to comment
Marielene Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Absolutely! Thanks for your feedback :-) Link to comment
Damien Symonds Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 This is the myth you're more likely to encounter. Link to comment
LSSmith Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 On 3/19/2017 at 5:21 PM, Damien Symonds said: Oh hell no. https://www.damiensymonds.net/2010/02/multiple-images-in-one-psd.html *facepalm* Jeebus! All of the torture that I've put myself through for years! AAAAAAAAAaaaaaagh! 4 1 Link to comment
margaretbonson Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Re-reading, and this may be answered later buuut.... So once you go from ACR to PS and save as a PSD file, can you go back into ACR and fix anything? Link to comment
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